Just one other thing. I have seen a VR taken to a little over 1700hp. I don't know what they did to get it there, but that's still a pretty good power hit. It was used in a drag rail. I know that's not up with the big blocks, but impressive anyway for (I think) a 3.1L motor.

You do have a point about VW needing to put some heft into their stock offerings. This is something that even the VW community has been screaming for the longest time. The VR6 has evolved in the form a larger displacement 3.6L(mine is 2.8L). That is a 6 cylinder that is very detuned from the factory still makes 300hp. Uncork it with exhaust and bolt ons and you see that hp figure almost at the wheels before going into the motor. This would be cool to run in a lightweight (circa MkIII 2,600lbs like mine) hatch. The problem with VW is they keep porking and bloating with weight and creature comforts. This is not my cup of tea and is why I choose the 1998 GTI VR for having fun with. Most vids on this sight show the newer MkIV racing and getting beaten. Of those vids it is usually the 4 banger with no real mods. If it is a VR the owner typically has as you claim all I have and that's exhaust maybe a ECU flash. With that in mind the low hp gains with those setups and the grossly overweight nature of the modern Dub = a loss. If you look for MkIII vids or better yet MkII vids you will see some incredibly fast VWs. VW can change all this with offering what we want. Also look at the holdings of VW. They own and are interested partners with some of the finest cars in the world. To come out with an "entry level" car that performs like Audi's top model, Porsche's cream of the crop, Buggati's arsenal, Lamborghini's railers would be like steping on your own toes. I can understand their reasoning. But please don't mistake the engineering ability of VW as these aforementioned auto makers utilize some things that VW has invented so that their cars shift better, run smoother, etc. When you understand the involvement and the history of this make you soon realize you in fact DO drive something special even it is not the fastest whippit out there!

Yes, old school hondas sometimes do well. Although, the fastest cars on the course are always AWD Evo's and STI's. My vision is good enough to read a timeslip and I have yet to read a lower time than either an STI or Evo can put down. I don't care if you were around to see the Model T roll off the assembly line, your vehicle of choice is slow no matter how strong the motor is. VW's are way overpriced for the performance they offer. If only you could see the flaws in your argument as easily as you see my gramatical mistakes, you might actually get somewhere. A Toyota Camry motor may last 300,000 miles, but no one gives a shit because its a turd. The VR6 motor may not be a turd, but it is certainly turd-like compared to most any other performance oriented motors from either Chevy, Ford, or Mitsubishi. The day VW puts a serious motor in their car, I will acknowledge it. It certainly hasn't happened yet.

Since you know so much about AutoX, ever notice how those old school Honda CRXs seem to whisk right around those tight courses. Keep up the nearsightedness.

When you get to 167,000 hard miles on your EVO let's see if it is even running anymore. Anyone who's been around for a while knows the history of Mitsu longevity. I don't know of any motor that won't loose compression (especially with mods). What I was refering to is the fact that Dowd's bottom end was never rebuilt and the car was RACED 211,000 miles. No main bearing, etc. And there IS NOT a Chevy out there that will do that (or Ford). Apparently you haven't been through a motor enough to understand what I'm talking about. As far as the VR6 and it's durability just pick up a journal or at least take the time research some things. I was already driving when you were in diapers so the longer this exchange goes on the more people are going to see how self absorded your thinking is. Oh yeah, it's "touted" not "toted". I don't believe I can pick my car up.

So it was an all motor neon? Thats interesting. Listening to the video, I suppose it does make sense because it is way too damn loud to be turbo'd. I was going off of what someone else told me.Oh, and VWertigo, I also pay attention to things other than straight lines. I have a couple of autoxing videos up as well. I also noticed that you are having compression issues - interesting considering you bashed Chevy motors and toted your car's motor as "the toughest V6 ever made." Last time I checked, FWD ain't winning anything in a straight line or in turns. So, keep up the good effort.

that neon isnt turbo'd. its all motor and had a best run of 13.8 John must have messed up on that run

By the way I have a friend from San Antonio who read this and stated he hasn't seen any EVOs running 6s either. Does that make your car slow? No. Grow up a little.

Wow! If you CAN read what I do have listed in my profile then how did you miss the other things done outside of exhaust. You obviously still haven't looked around at the areas I've suggested as well. Anthony Dowd ran a 2.8L all motor to a low 11 not a 3.2L (with FWD not AWD). I'm sure, because you've set the tempo that you think I hate on anything other than VW. Please get over your narrow field of thought. I respect EVOs...they're cool. As far As my car goes when it did have only chip and exhaust it ran 14.1@98 in Seguin, TX. It now has alot more power than then even with a drop in compression(addressing soon). Yes you can get some amazing power for 500.00 with an already turbo car. We all know this. You haven't invented the wheel here. I'm considering a turbo set up as well. Unlike you I am being realistic about it and not measuring what I'm about to do with my car in just the quarter. It's FWD and I don't think skinny tires belong on the back of a car.lol Just don't get it confused that A GTI (especially an MkIII) is going to be slow if it's built correctly.

Hey VWertigo: Your car is slow, just deal with it. Just because an R32 turbo got down to an 11.1, doesn't mean your car will ever see that. I don't see R32's running in the mid 8's like Evos. I see that all you have is bolt-on exhaust work and you think your car is capable of less than a 13.4? Doubtful. Very, very, doubtful. How bout you stop bullshiting and actually go to a dragstrip. Then you can videotape it and upload like I did. I don't guess, thats why I run my car...not my mouth. My car did a 12.8@109mph with 500 bucks put into it last spring. In a week I'll be back at the dragstrip and should be in the very low 12's to high 11's - i'll post a video of the results. Please, do keep me informed on what you THINK your car can do. Thanks.